Tommygilf

I'd award the county cup for Yorkshire and Lancashire to the clubs that finish highest in the regular season from those areas.

Like I said in my later post mate, red rose good? White rose bad? If any part of the above rings true then that is the basis of it. Its weak yes, and I don't think its good enough to justify it. However that is it.

At Leigh and Toronto he did relatively well in the championship with relatively big budgets. His win rate at both was way over 75%. I'm not expecting that in Super League of course, but he can clearly put together a squad.

Hull live reporting a 6 figure p.a. contract and loads of cap space spend being offered to Rowley. For an RL coach I think it would be very hard to turn those sums down.

Do you like red rose or white rose? That is literally it

Well exactly. People do understand Lancashire, mainly through the cricket. Indeed Lancashire have even found themselves playing in Yorkshire (Sedburgh) as well as their usual outground in Merseyside (Southport). As I said earlier if there were strong independent Yorkshire and Lancashire RL organisations this would have more of a chance of success. There isn't that though

I totally agree, that 5 coaches in 4 years is it now stat must put people off though.

Saints if they are being cheap*, Bolton or even larger if they were being ambitious, probably Wigan as somewhere down the middle. *forgot the LSV... I doubt Warrington, Widnes or Salford would be considered.

I agree, Leeds could be an option in the next few weeks potentially, and I think he'd take that over Hull for a myriad of reasons. Its a spectre hanging over this move. Hull are still a relatively attractive project though, and how much further can he take Salford?

I totally agree regarding the recruitment strategy. It seems all over the place and the on field performances match that with no really recognisable style of play either. Power and authority at the club over these matters seems to be almost deliberately diffused and confused even. I worry about the "young player" strategy too. We have had I think just one or two consistently top level young player come through in a decade that has lasted - Handley and Oledski. Newman keeps either threatening to leave or showing his body is too frail, Gannon sadly is looking increasingly like another Stevie Ward with concussions, Holroyd is another who is injured more often than not, any other clubs making big plays for Cam Smith either? It seems every year we are talking about another "young crop" but they are either being relied on too much too soon (see Gannon and Simpson getting injured) or actually aren't that good at all (see every year for the past decade). I appreciate not everyone is going to make it, but I've been hearing the same things like "ooh this kid is good" for years as we are now about say Riley Lumb. I think seeing is believing frankly. Is there a problem with Leeds' coaching and recruitment in the academy and youth levels too? I think there has been a massive issue in progression to the first team, a legacy of having a pretty consistent team for a decade or so.

If we had strong Lancashire Rugby League and Yorkshire RL organisations, with pathways - and other regions with similar etc, it could work. Right now it would just be the RFL splitting itself and they already organise the existing events poorly.

I made the point in direct reference to Salford. And likewise, there's the entire rest of the criteria to safeguard against that. Wakefield balanced the books for a decade under Carter, their crowds were often poor, their finances minimal, their stadium falling to pieces - those things also would have been taken into account and hurt them.

All clubs in Super League have played either 7 or 8 league games now (plus cup) which is roughly a quarter of the season. How would you rate each team's start? A* to F?

I think you're more aligned with the OP than you think?

That's a pretty poor response mate. People are allowed to point out problems without having to necessarily fix them themselves.